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17. Sir Bart2 Smith-Bromley George-41367 (George (Later Bromley) , Abel I , Thomas I , John , William , William ) was born on 18 Aug 1753. He died on 17 Aug 1808.
Burke's P&B for Bromley-Wilson. thepeerage.com.
George married Curzon Esther-36542 daughter of Visc1 Curzon of Penn Curzon Assheton-54651 and wife1 Hanmer Esther-92753. Esther died on 7 Nov 1839.
thepeerage.com. Burke's P&B for Bromley-Wilson.
George and Esther had the following children:
+ 34 M i Admiral Sir Bart3 Bromley Robert Howe-49840 was born on 28 Nov 1778. He died in 1857.
18. Smith Robert-32442 (George (Later Bromley) , Abel I , Thomas I , John , William , William ) was born in 1788. He died in 1843.
Smith/Pauncefote. Leighton-Boyce, p. 21. He is of Preston Court, Gloucestershire. His son Julian's DNB item. He is great-grandson of Abel Smith of East Stoke, Notts, father of Abel Smith the father of Robert Smith Baron1 Carrington. DNB for his sons.
Robert married Smith Emma spouse problem data problem-63954 daughter of Smith R.-37766 and SNotknown Miss-64541. Emma died in 1853.
Her husband's DNB item. Leighton-Boyce, p. 21.
Robert and Emma had the following children:
+ 35 M i Sir. Diplomat, Baron1 Pancefote Pauncefote Julian Smith-54407 was born on 13 Sep 1828. He died on 24 May 1902.
19. Wife1 Smith Elizabeth Bessie-116723 (Abel II , Abel I , Thomas I , John , William , William ) died in 1789.
stirnet file4 on Smith. See Newsome. Pollock p. 32 says she married the WI merchant Henry Manning. She has delicate health. Pollock, Wilberforce, table, identifies her. She may be sister of Abel II Smith of Smith and Wilberforce in Hull. She in Christie, non-elite MPs, has some link to Smiths bankers of Nottingham, but it is not clear whether link is also to Smith, Payne and Smiths, London.
Elizabeth married AACo investor, MP, Gov BofE, slaver, West Indies merchant Manning William-55117 son of Slaver, London merchant Manning William-18591 and MNotknown Miss-18592. William was born in 1763. He died in 1835.
Does he have a son in law John Anderdon? Code-red. Email from Larry Manning of Nov 2005. Does he have a dr who marries to a'Court? He is MP for Leamington. Lecouteur lists AACo 1825. Pemberton lists of AACo investors, of Manning, Anderdon and Co, WI Merchants. Slaver, p. 43 Eric Williams, Capitalism and Slavery. The family religion is old Anglican. When he bankrupts in 1831, dying about four years later, he has to give back his symbols as a former Gov BofE, he had known men to whom "bankruptcy was death". He is Tory MP for Plympton Earle, Evesham and Penrhyn. In Newsome the family is commercial/banking. He is named Henry in Pollock p. 32 on Wilberforce. See Pollock pp. 32ff. He is probably the man in Pollock, Wilberforce, table, married to Eliz Smith, and if so has wife also named Mary Hunter who is mother of Henry Cardinal Manning. Could he be an Oz colonisation link? Maybe, Thos Jefferson sees Vaughans since they are linked by marriage to Bird of Bird Savage and Bird with the US govt account? Due to his marriage he becomes a brother-in-law of the banking Smiths of Nottingham. he is many years a Director Bank of England. He is son of a West India merchant. Christie, non-elite MPs, p. 84. He is a prominent and well-established West India merchant. S. R. Cope on Bird/Savage, p. 202. http seen in early 2005, on Heyshams qv,says this man used address at Billiter Square/Lane, which also was address of merchants John Dawson, Robert and Hugh Ingram, John Shakespeare, Aaron Franks, John Currie, Joseph Horsley, John and William Gilliat, and the firm Graham, Clark and Co. Voltaire lodged there in his exile and Benj. Disraeli's maternal grandfather Nathan Basevi worked there. See an Ency Britannica entry here. Billiter Sq is in the City, in Aldgate ward, a few hundred yards west of Tower, off Fenchurch Avenue. Lime Street is at the end of Fenchurch Avenue. stirnet file4 on Smith. Firm Manning and Anderdon in West India trade crashed in 1831.
William and Elizabeth had the following children:
36 F i Manning Elizabeth Ryan-116724 was born in 1760 in Circa.
S. R. Cope on Bird/Savage, p. 202.Elizabeth married London financier of Bird, Savage Bird Bird Henry Merttins-1662 son of Bird Robert Senior-78902 and Merttins Mary-1354 in Apr 1778 in London,probably. Henry was born in 1755. He was christened in 1782 in active.
Code-red. Contractor. List from Kent's Directory, London for 1794:
Bird & Co. Silkmen, 1, Wood street, Cheapside
Bird Joseph, Sail maker, 6, Cock hill, Ratcliff cross
Bird Wm. Mercht. & Insurance broker, Old South Sea house, Broad street
Bird T. & W. Mercht. Aldermanbury Postern
Bird Wm. Hardwareman, 219, Strand
Bird Wm. Silk & Sattin dresser, 4, Primrose str. Bishopsgate str.
Bird, Dolbey & Co. Warehousemen, 65, Basinghall street
Bird, Savage & Bird, Merchts. 5, Jeffery's sq. St. Mary ax.
Re Henry Mertinns Bird, Is he fr of Rbt Myrtens who marries to Grenflle qv? Can put into mercs site. He deals with John Smith of Smith, Payne and Smiths, and Bird/Savage often discounted with Smiths, In Nov 1799 Bird, Savage formed a house in New York at 156 Greenwich St, under name Robert Bird and Co, had been dealing with NY Merchants Murray and Mumford, and Lessingwell and Pierpont for a while, such products as nankeens, yellow cotton cloth from Nanking, cinnamon and coffee. Isaac Clason a prominent New Yorker they dealt with for the London market. When his mother's cousin died, one John Henry Mertins, this man came into property at Barking and Dagenham in Essex. in 1777, he becomes a partner with Anthony Francis Haldimand. at 51 St Mary Axe, Haldimand kept on his own business in his own name. Later at 11 Bury Court, St Mary Axe. the Haldimand partnership ended in 1782, when Bird joned with his younger brothers Robert and Benjamin Savage. He is the leading partner of Bird, Savage and Bird, from 1782. S. R. Cope of Bird, pp. 202ff. This firm pioneered the marketing of American Securities and discounted with Smith, Payne and Smith. See p. 11, p, 23, in Kynaston, City of London. London re American commerce, London houses acting as bankers for the American trade, receiving the proceeds of consignments, Bird Savage and Bird operating 1782 and 1808 to be replaced by Barings. Birds etc operated by exporting manuf goods to South Carolina and in effect provided funds for such semi-tropical crops such as indigo and rice to be shipped to London. See Ziegler on Barings. See SR Cope's article, mentioning CF, Grace L. Lee, The Story of the Bosanquets. 1966. John W. Moore, Some Family Lines of James Peronneau DeSaussure and his wife Annie Isabella Laurens. Charleston, Carolina. 1958. See Birds' tree in W. R. Powell, (Ed), Victoria History of the Counties of England, History of Essex. Vol. V.+ 37 F ii wife2 Manning Miss-116727.
20. Banker, Nottingham, MP Smith Abel III-80869 (Abel II , Abel I , Thomas I , John , William , William ) was born in 1748 in Nottingham. He died in 1779.
He is son2. See also, GEC, Peerage, Stanhope, p. 230 etc. Book on Smiths the bankers. Namier/Brooke, Vol. 3, p. 447.
Abel married Uppleby Elizabeth-42261 daughter of Of Wooton Uppleby Charles or John-42262 and UNotknown MIss-42263 on 22 Sep 1777. Elizabeth died in 1807.
She is dr of John in stirnet file4 on Smith. She also marries Robert Ramsden. Pollock on Wilberforce, table. Namier/Brooke, Vol. 3, p. 447.
Abel and Elizabeth had the following children:
+ 38 F i Smith Mary-15790 was born in 1778. She died in 1861.
21. AACo, MP, Banker. EICo director Smith George-11652 (Abel II , Abel I , Thomas I , John , William , William ) was born on 30 Apr 1765 in Of Selsdon. He was christened in ,Of Surrey. He died on 26 Dec 1836.
See stirnet file4 on Smith. He is with Smith/Payne at Mansion House St. He is in Pemberton lists of AACo investors. His wife in Burke's P&B for Mosley Barts. He is Selsdon, Surrey. Burke's LG for Smith of Shottesbrooke Park. He is MP for Midhurst 1800-1806 and MP for Wendover 1806-1830; p. 57, possible he is the one who had 15 children and declined a baronetcy on that grounds. Smith-Payne banking connection meant he is elected in 1802 a director of EICo and he was dep-chair of EICo in 1805. Leighton-Boyce, table and p. 3, on Smiths the Bankers. Leighton-Boyce, p. 270, this man tried to help save Pole, Thornton and Co in Dec. 1825. thepeerage.com.
George married wife1 Mosley Frances Mary-35642 daughter of Sir Bart1 Mosley John Parker-9228 and Bayley Elizabeth-18932 on 12 May 1792. Frances died on 5 Jul 1844.
stirnet file4 on Smith. Burke's P&B for Mosley, Barts. A sibling or someone near marries someone from Melbourne, Aust. Burke's LG for Smith of Shottesbrooke Park.
George and Frances had the following children:
+ 39 M i MP, AACo Smith George Robert-38980 was born on 2 May 1793. He died in 1869. + 40 M ii Magniac-Smith China house, of Blendon Hall Smith Oswald-57329 was born on 7 Jul 1794. He died in 1863. 41 M iii Magniac-Smith China House Smith John Henry-42719 was born in 1795. He died in 1887.
In line of Smiths the bankers. Table, Leighton-Boyce, Smiths the Bankers.42 M iv Magniac-Smith China House Smith Thomas Charles-47039 was born in 1797. He died in 1876.
stirnet file4 on Smith where he seems to be unmarried. In the line of Smiths the bankers. This man's identity as a brother of Oswald is only per W. E. Cheong, Jardine/M, p. 243. Why is that?+ 43 F v Smith Frances Mary-326901 died in 1867. 44 M vi Smith Edward Peploe-322379 was born in 1803. He died in 1847.
He is son5 in stirnet file4 on Smith.Edward married (1) wife1 Bailey Henrietta Frances-17823 daughter of Bailey Charles-79692 and BNotknown Miss-38510. Henrietta died in 1824.
stirnet file4 on Smith.Edward married (2) wife2 Chester Harriet-334337 daughter of Chester George-334338 and CNotknown Miss-334339.
stirnet file4 on Smith.+ 45 M vii Of Ferriby Smith Edmund-322380 was born in 1809. He died in 1873. 46 M viii Smith Alfred-334307 died in 1886.
stirnet file4 on Smith. Burke's LG for Smith of Shottesbrooke Park. Toulmin - Shore - Wyvill - family http update.Alfred married Cousin Wigram Mary-25153 daughter of Rev Wigram William Pitt-117091 and Smith Sophia Sarah-334289 on 3 Aug 1847. Mary died in 1869.
stirnet file4 on Smith. Burke's LG for Smith of Shottesbrooke Park.47 F ix Smith Georgiana Elizabeth-334306 died in 1828.
stirnet file4 on Smith.Georgiana married Rev Sercold Edward Sercold-Pearce-Sercold-90909 son of Sercold Progenitor-38513 and SNotknown Miss-26350.
stirnet file4 on Smith.48 F x Smith Emily-334287 died in 1879.
stirnet file4 on Smith.Emily married Rev Predendary of Wells Mayne Charles Otway-118705 son of Mayne Progenitor-334857 and MNotknown Miss-334858. Charles died in 1867.
stirnet file4 on Smith.+ 49 F xi Smith Catherine-239155 died in 1870. + 50 F xii Smith Sophia Sarah-334289 died in 1883. 51 F xiii Smith Augusta Mary-238992.
stirnet file4 on Smith.Augusta married Rector Deedes Lewis-322373 son of Of Sandling Deedes William-334333 and DBNotknown Miss-334334. Lewis died in 1888.
stirnet file4 on Smith.52 M xiv Smith Thomas Charles-117087 was born in 1797. He died in 1876.
stirnet file4 on Smith.53 M xv Smith Mosley-334859 was born in 1810. He died in 1869.
stirnet file4 on Smith.
22. MP, AACo, EICo proprietor, Banker Smith John II-14648 (Abel II , Abel I , Thomas I , John , William , William ) was born in 1767. He died in 1842.
His own wikipedia page. Code-red. He is of Blendon Hall. http:// dat67.html With Smiths Payne in London. He is in Pemberton's investor lists. Banker and EI proprietor, London banker. He is of Dale Park, Sussex and Blendon Hall in Kent. MP successively for Wendover, Nottingham. Midhurst, Chichester and Bucks. He is MP for Buckinghamshire, in 1832. He is of Blendon Hall, Kent. Stenton, British Parliamentarians, Vol. 1, p. 353. Leighton-Boyce, Smiths the bankers. Pemberton, The London Connection, p. 389. He married three times. stirnet file4 on Smith. See http://www.william1.co.uk/w170.htm
John married (1) wife1 Boone Sarah-14666 daughter of Boone Thomas-76780 and BNotknown Miss-76781. Sarah was christened in 1880.
stirnet file4 on Smith. http:: dat67.html See Stenton, Brit Partls, Vol. 1, p. 353. Pemberton, AACo, p. 389.
John married (2) wife2 Tucker Elizabeth-14657 daughter of Lt-Colonel Tucker Senior-38516 and TNotknown Miss-38517 in 1800. Elizabeth was born in 1773. She died in 1809.
thepeerage.com. Named in http: dat67.html Dr of Lt-Col Tucker. Might she be any link to Tucker married to Francis Forbes at NSW? Stenton, Brit Partls, Vol. 1, p. 353.
John and Elizabeth had the following children:
+ 54 M i AACO, NZo, Opium trade, Banker, MP Smith John Abel-3651 was born in 1801. He died on 15 Sep 1879. + 55 M ii Banker, Dir EICo, MP. AACo, Canada Co Smith Martin Tucker-80087 was born in 1803. He died in 1880.
John married (3) wife3 Leigh Emma-80089 daughter of Of Cheshire Leigh Egerton-403530 and Jodrell Elizabeth-403531 in 1811.
See http://www.william1.co.uk/w170.htm stirnet file4 on Smith. http dat67.html She may be AACo investor in Pemberton lists and if so dies 1851.
John and Emma had the following children:
56 F iii AACo Smith Emma-14661 died in 1893.
See http://www.william1.co.uk/w170.htm Death date from Pemberton lists of AACo investors. Pemberton, AACo, p. 389.+ 57 F iv Smith Caroline Leigh-58424 died in 1883.
23. Baron1 Carrington, MP, Banker, FRS Smith Robert Of Upton-42259 (Abel II , Abel I , Thomas I , John , William , William ) was born on 22 Jan 1752. He died on 18 Oct 1838.
He is son3. Banker. He has drs Harriet dies 1856, Hester Frances dies 1854, Emily dies 1869, in http dat67.html He is AACO investor in Pemberton thesis. He is Bob Smith in Pollock on Wilberforce. He is a friend of Pitt, but they never discussed money. See his links to Sir Julian Smith (Real) Pauncefote qv. Namier/Brooke, Vol. 3, p. 451. GEC, Peerage, Stanhope, pp. 236ff; Carrington, pp. 62ff. Pemberton, AACo, p. 389. GEC, Peerage, Carrington, p. 62. p. 57 of book, he left in 1792 to concentrate on money market activities in the city. He is a trusted friend of PM Pitt Younger, Leighton-Boyce, p. 3. Smiths the Bankers. GEC, Peerage, Stanhope, p. 237. GEC, Peerage, Carrington, pp. 62ff; Suffield, p. 427. stirnet file4 on Smith.
Robert married (1) wife1 Boldero-Barnard Anne Barnard-42264 daughter of Of Yorks Boldero-Barnard Lewyns Boldero Barnard-42265 and Popplewell Anne-42266 on 6 Jul 1780. Anne was born in 1765. She died on 9 Feb 1827.
She possibly has drs Harriet b 1856, Catherine Luy born 1856, Hester Frances born 1854 and Emily born 1869. thepeerage.com. She is dr1. http: dat67.html Namier/Brooke, Vol. 3, p. 451. GEC, Peerage, Carrington, p. 62; Stanhope, p. 237. stirnet file4 on Smith.
Robert and Anne had the following children:
+ 58 M i Baron2 Carrington Smith Robert John (Carrington) Smith-57910 was born on 16 Jan 1796. He died on 17 Mar 1868. + 59 F ii Wife2 Smith Charlotte Elizabeth-30690 died on 27 Mar 1811. + 60 F iii Smith Catherine Lucy-93352 died on 1 Oct 1843. 61 F iv Smith Harriet-334480 died in 1856.
stirnet file4 on Smith.Harriet married Colonel Crewe John Frederick-313847 son of Crewe Senior findzzzzzzzz-313848 and CNotknown Miss-161371. John died in 1840.
stirnet file4 on Smith.+ 62 F v Smith Hester Frances-334482 died in 1854. + 63 F vi wife2 Smith Emily Frances-3650 was born in 1800. She died on 4 Jan 1869.
Robert married (2) wife2 Hudson Charlotte-42267 daughter of Hudson John-40079 and Trevelyan Susanna-40080 on 19 Jan 1836. Charlotte was born on 1 May 1770. She died on 22 Apr 1849.
stirnet file4 on Smith. Namier/Brooke. GEC, Peerage, Carrington, p. 63; Stanhope. p. 237.
24. Banker, MP Smith Samuel III-40416 (Abel II , Abel I , Thomas I , John , William , William ) was born in 1754. He died in 1834.
stirnet file4 on Smith. He is son4. http: // dat67.html Burke's LG for Smith-Bosanquet. See GEC after 1901, Biddulph, p. 27. Leighton-Boyce p. 270 this man and his brother George tried in Dec 1825 to save Pole, Thornton and Co. He is MP for St Germain in 1788, for Leicester. He is of Woodhill Park, Herts. Namier /Brooke, Vol. 3, p. 451. Leighton-Boyce, table, Smiths the Bankers. Toulmin - Shore - Wyvill - family http update. He is perhaps Samuel qv as 1754-1834. thepeerage.com.
Samuel married Turner Frances Turnor Elizabeth-40417 daughter of Turner Edmund Turnor-40155 and TNotknown Miss-40156 on 2 Dec 1783.
stirnet file4 on Smith. She is dr1. http: dat67.html Burke's LG for Smith-Bosanquet. See GEC after 1901, Biddulph, p. 27. Toulmin - Shore - Wyvill - family http update. thepeerage.com.
Samuel and Frances had the following children:
+ 64 M i Reformer MP for Norwich of Clapham Smith William-40418 was born in 1756. He died in 1835. + 65 M ii MP, Banker of Nottingham Smith Abel IV-103913 was born in 1788. He died on 23 Feb 1859. + 66 F iii Smith Charlotte-15529 died in 1879. + 67 M iv Of Sacombe Park, Of Herts Smith Samuel George I-80876 was born on 19 Jul 1789. He died on 4 Oct 1863. + 68 M v Banker Nottingham Smith Henry-80877 was born in 1794. He died in 1874. + 69 F vi Smith Sophia-240863 died in 1844. 70 F vii Smith Mary-240864 died in 1846.
stirnet file4 on Smith.Mary married Of Aldridge Lodge Daniel Thomas-15539 son of Daniel Senior-80882 and DNotknown Miss-292277. Thomas died in 1838.
netsurf is he a sugar dealer? stirnet file4 on Smith.71 F viii Smith Caroline-240865.
stirnet file4 on Smith.Caroline married Major-General Cary Thomas-334342 son of Cary Senior-334343 and CNotknown Miss-334344. Thomas died in 1824.
netsurf re parents. stirnet file4 on Smith.72 F ix Smith Lucy-240866. 73 F x Smith Barbara-240867. 74 M xi Smith Henry-240868 was born in 1794. He died in 1874.
Peter Western http update.+ 75 F xii Smith Frances Anne-340377 died in 1862.
27. Sheriff of Cardiganshire Smith Thomas-334469 (John I , Abel I , Thomas I , John , William , William ) died in 1817.
stirnet file4 on Smith.
Thomas married Bigsby Mary-334470 daughter of Bigsby James-334471 and BNotknown Miss-334472.
They had the following children:
29. Esq Smith James-46646 (Samuel , Samuel I , Thomas I , John , William , William ) was born in 1768. He died in 1843.
See http://members.cox.net/ghgraham/index_c.html He is a Sheriff in stirnet file4 on Smith. He is of Ashlyn Hall, Hertfordshire.
James married (1) wife2 Pechell Mary Isabella-46645 daughter of Rec-Gen Customs Pechell Augustus-185033 and PNotknown Miss-185034.
Her fr is Augustus Pechell Rec-Gen of Customs.
See http://members.cox.net/ghgraham/index_c.html
James and Mary had the following children:
80 M i Customs Rec-Gen Smith Augustus MP-37550 was born in 1804. He died on 31 Jul 1872.
He it seems is a merchant banker who buys the Scilly Islands from Duchy of Cornwall. See http://members.cox.net/ghgraham/index_c.html Stenton, Brit Partls, Vol. 1, p. 353.+ 81 M ii Smith-Dorrien Robert Algernon-388305 was born in 1814. He died in 1879.
James married (2) wife1 Arbuthnot Frances-83042 daughter of Arbuthnot John-82793 and ANotknown Miss-83344. Frances died in 1800.
30. Smith Thomas-334371 (Samuel , Samuel I , Thomas I , John , William , William ) was born in 1755. He died in 1799.
stirnet file4 on Smith.
Thomas married Hutchinson Mary-334370 daughter of Hutchinson John Hely-68175 and HNotknown Miss-70078. Mary died in 1820.
They had the following children:
82 M i Smith Hely Hutchinson-82520 was born in 1796. He died in 1829. Hely married Williams Kate-125766 daughter of Williams John-334445 and WNotknown Miss-334446.
31. Rev Rector of Southrepps Smith Charles-334449 (Samuel , Samuel I , Thomas I , John , William , William ) was born in 1757. He died in 1802.
stirnet file4 on Smith.
Charles married Of Heywood Sawyer Anne-334450 daughter of Of Heywood Sawyer Anthony-334451 and SNotknown Miss-334452.
stirnet file4 on Smith.
Charles and Anne had the following children:
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